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March 6, 2007
Sullivan on Coulter
Andrew Sullivan pretty much nails it:
Coulter's defense of the slur is that it was directed at an obviously straight man and so could not be a real slur. The premise of this argument is that the word faggot is only used to describe gay men and is only effective and derogatory when used against a gay man. But it isn't. In fact, in the schoolyard she cites, the primary targets of the f-word are straight boys or teens or men. The word "faggot" is used for two reasons: to identify and demonize a gay man; and to threaten a straight man with being reduced to the social pariah status of a gay man. Coulter chose the latter use of the slur, its most potent and common form. She knew why Edwards qualified. He's pretty, he has flowing locks, he's young-looking. He is exactly the kind of straight guy who is targeted as a "faggot" by his straight peers. This, Ms Coulter, is real social policing by speech. And that's what she was doing: trying to delegitimize and feminize a man by calling him a faggot. It happens every day. It's how insecure or bigoted straight men police their world to keep the homos out.
Posted by ray at March 6, 2007 5:35 PM | Permalink
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From the Daily Dish:
You want to meet someone with balls? Find a drag queen.
So fucken true.
Anyway, the uses of masculinity in bigotry is interesting. Sullivan brought up the emasculation of minority men. I think that this mostly happened to Asian and Middle Eastern men, who tend to be feminized. On the other hand, black men tend to be hypermasculinized into predators, or hypersexualized. That pattern isn't random, by the way -- it's centuries old, and based on perceived levels of "civilization" attained by each race.
Posted by: Hiromi at March 6, 2007 6:22 PM
You know, i have to admit i've always wanted to fuck Ms Coulter.
I know. It's a secret shame.
Posted by: Elvis at March 6, 2007 7:16 PM
Ick.
Besides, who can spend time wanting a shrew like Coulter when Miami Ink now has Kat Vond D to distract us?
Posted by: Ray at March 6, 2007 7:58 PM
The Kat link is broken, Rayilicious.
Coulter's defense of the slur is that it was directed at an obviously straight man and so could not be a real slur.
So if she called a white person the N-word, the word's rendered meaningless and not at all meant to be derogatory to that person or about people of color. Sure.
Oh, and a gentle nudge to my favorite men that discussion of a female public figure's relative fuckability/attractiveness is kind of cut from the same cloth (in terms of creating the same "social policing" effect) as questioning a male public figure's sexual orientation.
And yet I continue to love you anyway.
And I hate Anne Coulter.
Posted by: Miss Syl at March 6, 2007 9:22 PM
Oh sure, syl, I come out of the closet with my secret shame and you belittle me.
I feel so cheap.
And, you know, dirty.
Posted by: Elvis at March 6, 2007 9:46 PM
Oh sure, syl, I come out of the closet with my secret shame and you belittle me.
She's still totally fuckable, though.
Posted by: Ray at March 6, 2007 10:25 PM
Okay, now I'm riled up.
Both of you guys are totally gay and fuckable!!!!
Ah HA, now I've gotten even!
Wait...
Posted by: Miss Syl at March 6, 2007 10:35 PM
Syl sandwich time!
Posted by: Ray at March 6, 2007 10:55 PM
I'm in. Deep in.
Posted by: Elvis at March 7, 2007 2:00 AM
Finger cuffs?
Posted by: ashley at March 7, 2007 11:25 AM
Karl, re: fucking Anne Coulter. Not with your dick and Ray pushing. Nasty pointy sack of hateful bones.
Posted by: Gregg P. at March 7, 2007 12:04 PM
you're working up quite a "who to do" list, Ray.
Videos in our future?
Posted by: TravelingMermaid at March 7, 2007 12:48 PM
I'm working on a coffee table book.
Posted by: Ray at March 7, 2007 1:15 PM
I leave you guys alone for one day and this is what you devolve into??? LMAO.
Her defense was considerably worse than her offense IMHO. Ewwww.
Posted by: Sophmom at March 7, 2007 1:23 PM
Finger cuffs?
Ashley, I bet you think that using the term "finger cuffs" to refer to a sex act is not a slur, simply because that sex act doesn't *really* involve actual finger cuffs. But you'd be wrong, sir.
This, Mr. Morris, is real social policing by speech. And that's what you were doing: trying to delegitimize and party-favorize a perfectly good sex act by calling it a "finger cuff." It happens every day. It's how insecure or bigoted straight men police their world to keep the pervert girls like me out.
:-P
Posted by: Miss Syl at March 7, 2007 2:51 PM
I had to google "finger cuffs".
You're right, Syl, that there is a perfectly good sex act. Perfectly good.
And we would never try to keep you out. We might try the police thing, though, that sounds like fun.
Posted by: Ray at March 7, 2007 2:59 PM
I hope everyone remembers what I gave up for lent.
Posted by: ashley at March 7, 2007 3:25 PM
Ray, i have the uniform.
Ash, I'm hoping it's not getting giant tattoos.
Posted by: Elvis at March 7, 2007 4:10 PM
Overstuffed sandwiches?
Posted by: Ray at March 7, 2007 4:28 PM
Ashley, wasn't it gay porn?
KE, Coulter? Really? So many levels of eeewwww there. She's too damned nasty, and not in the good way.
Though, ya know, gotta agree with Miss Syl about y'all, Ray and KE. Especially in uniform. Yum!
Posted by: Carol Elaine at March 7, 2007 4:33 PM
Ray, I can't believe you didn't see "Chasing Amy".
CE: yep.
Syl, I got the reference from "Chasing Amy", which had a lesbian lead and dealt with threesomes. So, I plead trailer park white trash immunity.
Posted by: ashley at March 7, 2007 4:48 PM
Well, I'm gonna see it now, for damn sure.
I keep forgetting, you've still got a couple of years before you get to that part of parenthood where you completely give up on ever seeing a grownup movie ever again.
Posted by: Ray at March 7, 2007 4:52 PM
I can't help it, CE. Though if it helps, I mean in the face down, biting the pillow, screaming, begging, can't walk afterwards, broken, begging for more way.
Is that better? Or maybe it's worse.
Posted by: Elvis at March 7, 2007 6:05 PM
Put a ball gag on her and a bag over her head (though one that allows her to breathe - I may hate her but I'm still a fucking pacifist) and it might be marginally better.
That is, if your mere proximity to her doesn't freeze off one of your very important appendages...
Posted by: Carol Elaine at March 7, 2007 6:15 PM
good point. Freeze dried and shattered cock is not much use. Though I don't care about the breathing part.
Posted by: Elvis at March 7, 2007 6:25 PM
Ashley: Yep, I knew the film reference. I was just making convenient a joke out of it with Sullivan's quote up above.
CE: Wait, agree with me on what? *I* didn't suggest they should have sex with me in police uniforms. Or wait, was that damn inner monologue betraying me again?
And I continue to be disturbed at everyone talking about ways they'd use Anne Coulter sexually. On oh so many different levels.
Posted by: Miss Syl at March 7, 2007 7:10 PM
Actually, can I be a fireman?
Posted by: Ray at March 7, 2007 7:17 PM
Syl, you know disturbed is the desired reaction.
Ray, no, but you can be the army guy or the cowboy, or if you ask nice, maybe the indian.
Posted by: Elvis at March 7, 2007 7:23 PM
Welllll, OK, but that kind of porn will have to wait til after Easter.
Posted by: Ray at March 7, 2007 7:31 PM
Miss Syl, I'm agreeing with you re: Ray and Karl Elvis being fuckable. The uniforms (of any kind) are just inordinately yummy frosting on that double layer man cake. I won't lie - I'd be mighty tempted to be the filling.
And yes, your inner monologue did betray you.
Count me in with the disturbed faction. "Sex" and its synonyms should never be in the same sentence with "Ann Coulter", including this one.
Excuse me, but I have to scrub my mind with lye.
Posted by: Carol Elaine at March 7, 2007 7:41 PM
who'd have thought a post about Ann Coulter would turn into a big sweaty Ray/Carole-Elaine/Syl/Karl-Elvis cluster fuck?
I would say that's a pretty good return on investment.
Posted by: Elvis at March 7, 2007 7:50 PM
a big sweaty Ray/Carol-Elaine/Syl/Karl-Elvis cluster fuck
Mmmm, got some tingling going on over here...
Ray, is it just gay porn? Or does the inclusion of two women mitigate the gay factor? 'Cause I'd hate to have to wait until after Easter.
Posted by: Carol Elaine at March 7, 2007 8:00 PM
I continue to maintain I never claimed to want to be in a sandwich with anyone, in or out of police costume.
I said K and R were "gay and fuckable." Which if anything, means I want to watch them fuck each OTHER. But apparently now I can't add Ashley into that scenario, mores the pity.
And I would like Roman Centurion costumes, please. And please fight before you fuck. Thank you.
Oh, and for Carole Elaine's benefit, in the midst of the fight, one of you can accidentally behead Anne Coulter. Collateral damage.
And whomever wins the fight and fuck battle, HE gets to have me.
P.S. Note to winner: growling/howling "THIRTEEN!" throughout would be useful.
There. Now I'll claim to have said that.
Posted by: Miss Syl at March 7, 2007 8:28 PM
Well, you can't add me into that scenario during Lent. Call my agent the day after Easter.
Posted by: ashley at March 7, 2007 10:51 PM
Yeah, you rite, Ray. My mom does NOT need to see this.
Then again, she's the one who jumped up and down on the "full frontal nudity...of men AND women" on late-night Skinemax. My dad and I would say, "Oh, and why are you WATCHING it?"
Posted by: liprap at March 8, 2007 9:12 AM
I'm guessing that full frontal gay porn Ashley would send her right over the edge.
Posted by: Ray at March 8, 2007 9:15 AM
Wait, Ashley, wasn't your lent thing no *watching* gay porn? Didn't say anything about participating. So just keep your eyes closed. Ray and Karl won't hurt you. Much.
Posted by: Miss Syl at March 8, 2007 1:48 PM
She's lying. It's gonna be like Deliverance.
Posted by: Elvis at March 8, 2007 8:02 PM
I believe the Lenten sacrifice was starring in gay porn.
I say we quicktime the whole thing.
Podcast.
Posted by: ashley at March 8, 2007 8:50 PM
*waiting in lascivious anticipation*
I just want a BIG fire hose in the area. Hehehe.
Posted by: TM at March 8, 2007 9:15 PM
Ashley: what if we just make you a best supporting actor? Then technically you're not "starring."
(Leave it to a Jewish chick to lead you astray and into the fires of eternal damnation by convincing you there's a loophole to your Lenten sacrifice which will allow you to participate in gay porn.)
TM: Don't be insulting to any of the boys. When we film, I'm certain you'll see *three* very big firehoses. :-P
Posted by: Miss Syl at March 8, 2007 9:40 PM
I guess Syl is volunteering to be a fluffer.
Posted by: Ray at March 8, 2007 10:02 PM
My dream job: fluffer tester.
The line starts here.
Posted by: ashley at March 8, 2007 11:35 PM
Tsk. This is GAY porn. It would be a boy fluffer.
I'm the DIRECTOR. People "fluff" *me* for a part.
Posted by: Miss Syl at March 9, 2007 6:49 AM
Ms Syl - As if!
I would never insult our boyz....I have a fireman fetish - I meant a big fire hose literally as a prop.:) While they're at it, firman helmuts and boots too, pleeze.
BTW - what's a fluffer?
Posted by: TravelingMermaid at March 9, 2007 9:39 AM
Hate to interrupt the witty banter with a serious question, but do you all still find Ann Coulter fuckable? It's not that she's aged in the ten tears or so she's been famous, it's that she's acquired that witchy look of a middle-aged woman who's kept her slim figure through excessive dieting (or worse) rather than exercise. Really, look at her. She'd be more fuckable if she had let herself gain a few pounds.
Posted by: bayoustjohndavid at March 12, 2007 12:34 AM
She's still not my type. Actually, I have trouble thinking of any Republican women who would be my type. I might be able to sit still for a Bush twins threesome, but only if they don't talk much, and only if Jenna isn't stupid drunk.
Posted by: Ray at March 12, 2007 4:26 PM
Again it is time to wash my brain out with lye. Thank you, Ray.
Posted by: Carol Elaine at March 12, 2007 4:28 PM
It's not that she's my type. It's that she needs to be punished.
Posted by: Elvis at March 12, 2007 6:27 PM
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